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Keep in mind that this riot also has racial implications. Riots can easy become small scale wars. Especially when racial tension and ignorance is abundant. Those kinds of things just fan the flames.

Yes, like the New York City draft riots. I don't think it will get anywhere near that bad in any case. But make no mistake, people from many ethnicities are rioting and looting and people from many ethnicities are being victimized. It's indiscriminate destruction.

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I fucking hate this country though. It seems like you're either involved in the rioting, or saying we should get the army on the streets and kill them all. How the fuck did we end up like this?

Yeah, my mother was going on about how people should be shot dead... :neutral
A bit of drama is certainly capable of bringing the worst out in people.

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Well, it looks like I have to apologize for giving an opinion, without doing proper research first.
Here some authentic information:

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Police in London say the violence began during a vigil for a man, Mark Duggan, who’d been killed by police. However, those on the streets say what's happening goes beyond one man's death.

In late June, half the public schools in Britain where closed by a massive protest over public pensions cuts, including three major teachers' unions, customs and immigration officers, and air traffic controllers. Some 750,000 people took part in the protest.

London's press has reported that discontent has been simmering among Britain's urban poor for years, in neighborhoods like Tottenham, where the riots started.

But as one man told NBC News about an economic protest two months ago, "There was not a word in the press about our protests. Last night (Saturday) a bit of rioting and looting and now look around you." source: http://www.cnbc.com/id/44073673
For the sake of not derailing this completely and not cluttering up the screen, here's the spoiler for the ones interested in the whole riot/protest topic:
The thing is, it's easy to think that this might be a single occurrence, while this is happening all over the world. This time it's just in our yard.

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Approximatley 300,000 people gathered Saturday night in Tel Aviv, 20,000 participated in Jerusalem, 3,000 in Kiryat Shmona, 5,000 in Modi’in,1,000 in Hod Hasharon and 1,000 in Eilat.

In Tel Aviv, people marched from Habima Square, near the tent city on Rothschild Boulevard, to the Kirya defense compund on Kaplan Street.
Imagesource:http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/more-than-300-000-demonstrate-across-israel-to-protest-high-cost-of-living-1.377295
CNBC about the protests in Spain, Greece and Portugal:
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All three ... have experienced protests and rioting in reaction to government austerity programs and bad economic conditions.

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Thousand of workers took to the streets throughout the country in May of this year to march for higher pay. They demanded better wages in light of rising inflation, including higher oil prices.
They called on the government of President Benigno Aquino III to do more to help protect jobs.
In reaction, the government held job fairs as hundreds of workers have been laid off as the economy slumps. Workers say that effort has fallen far short of what they want.

China

Nearly 1,000 cab drivers in eastern China blocked traffic and protested on Aug. 1 over rising fuel costs. It was the latest sign of discontent about the country's surging inflation.
Inflation is hitting China hard, with food prices recently increasing 12 percent. Many Chinese officials are reported concerned that inflation, along with rising property prices, could lead to even more unrest.
This past June, thousands of workers battled for three days with police in the capital city of the southern Chinese province of Guangdong. They were protesting declining living standards.
The recent protests can be traced back to February of this year, in what was an attempt to copy the Arab Spring uprising. That's when calls through Chinese social networks were sent out for an uprising in several local cities.

Syria

In another legacy from the Arab Spring, protests and riots in Syria against the rule of President Bashar al-Assad have been going on for five months.
Reports say at least 1,600 people have been killed by government forces.

The demonstrations are a combination of calls for economic as well as political changes. Assad's government has promised a package of reforms including higher wages, letting political parties exist, easing restrictions on the media, and a new anti-corruption drive. But so far, none of the measures has been set in place.
And this is not surprising, in fact, it was predicted: http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2011/02/its-not-arab-revolution-its-global.html

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This is nothing like Syria or Israel. Seriously. Those are people actively protesting for change, for democracy. Here, we have the Mark Duggan thing as a thin excuse, but for the most part it is just angry, bored, frustrated people smashing shit up and looting. You don't burn up an Allied Carpets with flats above it 'for political change'.

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I surely agree with you on this point, that a whole lot of people most likely just use this as an excuse and I wouldn't be surprised to find out, that most of these again don't even care about this background. There have always been a lot, I call it "random-rioters" or "terror-tourists".
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In late June, riots broke out in Athens and other parts of Greece as the country's parliament voted to approve severe cutbacks in government spending.

Dozens were hurt and businesses destroyed as police battled rioters with tear gas and night sticks.
In fact, this even reminds me of all the stuff that's been going on for decades between Israel and the Palestinians. Excuse for excuse for excuse. Mostly simply reactionism, or so it seems to me.

On the other hand, what I wanted to point out is: except for these particular kind of people, this occurence seems to have been the straw to break the camel's back at last. A lot of political movements started with the death/s of a single or a few persons, but this is just my picture. I just wanted to draw the line a bit wider.

Well, but this is just my opinion and solely based on information gathered on the webz. Since you seem to be much closer to the actual scene than little me, I'd indeed be honestly interested in your opinion.

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Update: A lot of destruction and looting seems to be organized by criminal groups, indeed using the actual confusion for their profit. GCHQ and Scotland Yard are up to hunting down, what they believe to be the masterminds.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2024295/UK-riots-2011-Spooks-trail-BlackBerry-Messenger-ringleaders.html

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Update: A lot of destruction and looting seems to be organized by criminal groups, indeed using the actual confusion for their profit. GCHQ and Scotland Yard are up to hunting down, what they believe to be the masterminds.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2024295/UK-riots-2011-Spooks-trail-BlackBerry-Messenger-ringleaders.html

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DailyMail, nope? How about Reuters?

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Youth gangs were reported to be coordinating their movements though social networks -- particularly secure-access Blackberry Messenger groups -- and targeting shops.

In areas ranging from riot-scarred Hackney to upmarket Sloane Square, some shops closed early or put up boards, witnesses said. Shops and pubs closed early in Wimbledon on Tuesday afternoon as rumours circulated that gangs would target the upscale neighbourhood, witnesses said.

Tottenham member of parliament David Lammy said in a message on Twitter he was asking Blackberry to suspend its messaging service. http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/08/09/britain-riots-idUSLDE77808M20110809
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In Britain, pre-existing social problems were compounded by initial austerity measures -- including shutting down "non-essential" public services such as youth clubs -- and then fury at a perceived attempted cover-up of a police shooting.

A blizzard of social media incitement -- primarily using Blackberry smart phones and their semi-encrypted messaging system -- and wall-to-wall media coverage then look to have sparked copycat rioting as surely as satellite TV and Twitter coverage of Egypt's protests sparked similar events elsewhere.

"It does look as though social media is changing the balance of power between the state and the individual, whether that is manifested as regime change in Cairo or looting in Tottenham," said John Bassett, a former senior official at the British signals intelligence agency GCHQ and now a senior fellow at London's Royal United Services Institute. http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/08/10/uk-britain-unrest-youth-idUSLNE77901H20110810?feedType=RSS&feedName=wtMostRead&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+reuters%2FMostRead+%28News+%2F+US+%2F+Most+Read+Articles%29


Or the Guardian?
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Who are the rioters? Young men from poor areas ... but that's not the full story
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/aug/09/london-riots-who-took-part

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Hackers have defaced the official BlackBerry blog in what appears to be an attempt to blackmail Research In Motion into not co-operating with police investigating the London riots.

http://www.zdnet.co.uk/news/security-threats/2011/08/09/hacker-tries-to-blackmail-rim-over-riot-data-40093655/ I apologize for being past real-time.

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lol Oh, that made my day.. Indeed, that's pretty much my overall reaction.

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