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Aillas
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 Do you hold hard workers with a high amount of esteem?
Do you hold hard workers with a high amount of esteem?
I don't, and never have. I don't make judgments on people based on how much or little they work. There are lots of hard working pieces of shit out there. Even if you work for 24 hours a day, you won't get respect from me until I learn what type of person you truly are. The fact that you overwork yourself won't suddenly make me think "Oh, you're such a good person for working so fucking much!". Why the fuck are people stupid enough to praise people with good work ethics while ignoring everything else about them? To lots of people, to be a good person you simply need a good work ethic - period. I find this sad and disturbing.
I personally can't stand it when people say stuff like "He's a good, hard workin' man!". They'll ignore the fact that the person they're speaking of, other than having a good work ethic, is a complete asshole piece of shit who beats his wife, fucks the neighbor, and is a complete irrational prick to everyone.
I obviously understand the importance of work and generating an income, but how on earth can you claim someone to be good based on how much or little they work?
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Midnightlight
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 Re: Do you hold hard workers with a high amount of esteem?
A good work ethic without good or better character is like having gas, but a POS car. You can work 8 hours and go home and beat your spouse, kids, dog, etc. The time you put in never matters.
I myself usually stay till my work is done, while others leave right at the appointed time. I don't do this unless everything I needed to do is done. Is this a good work ethic? No, that's just what I do.
And I hate working with people who have no character.
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FONEternal
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Sure.
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JaneDoe
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 Re: Do you hold hard workers with a high amount of esteem?
No, not at all. I could care less how much, or how little a person works. I've never had a job in my life & I'm a very good person. I don't judge people based on the job they have, the amount of time they work, or whether or not they work. A lot of people who work a lot tend to neglect the things that should be most important to them (i.e. their kids, etc.) because they spend so much time working, so working a lot definitely does not equate a good person. Just because a person may be a workaholic, that does not mean they're a good person & certainly does not at all mean they'll get any respect from me.
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SoullessHuman
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I only see hard work in high esteem if the person is also a nice person. A workaholic who abandons his children for his work does not have my respect. A hard worker who is willing to bowl through troubles to make sure his family life and his work life truly has my respect.
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Dr Toxicophilous
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Nope. People who are so proud of how much they work are generally assholes and they work so much because they don't know how to relax or entertain themselves.
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rezu
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Peoplo who work excessively and are proud about it and shit are all suckers. You don't get rich from hard work, you get rich from either having it handed to you or swindling. Working 12 hour days means nothing. Life is not work. Work is just something you do to facilitate a better life. If you can get income by sucking off the system, do it. "Earning" an income is overrated. Perhaps I'm cynical, but whatever.
I know this retard who's almost 40 and brags constantly about how hard he works. He's a fucking assistant manager at Monro Brakes, lives in an incredibly shitty apartment, has no credit, is in assloads of debt, but the fact that he works a lot somehow makes up for that and means he's not a fucking idiot.
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Canti
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I appreciate a person who works earnestly and diligently at their job. Yes there are scumbags who pull 70+ hrs/week but hard workers with positive attitudes who take pride in their job get my approval.
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äpple
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Absolutely not . .. ほとんどの日本人は、ハードな労働者.. .. . しかし,,, よくない人. . . Harder they work,, more they expect . .. 詳細が欲しい. .. If they are not satisfied,,, Make everyone else 悲惨な
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Soleiyu
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Swedish people are jealous. Jealous, jealous, jealous...
There are many who think I should have to crawl and live in misery because I'm on disability. They can't accept that I live a decent life like this. I don't regret taking those people's "hard earned" tax money. They can go fuck themselves.
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äpple
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Soleiyuさん,,, 完璧な人間 <3
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Skilpadde
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 Re: Do you hold hard workers with a high amount of esteem?
Absolutely not. It says nothing about how they are.
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XBlacky
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 Re: Do you hold hard workers with a high amount of esteem?
Obviously I wouldn't hold them in high esteem JUST because they have a job. But, I am jealous of people who have a good work routine or people who aren't NEET.
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galacticegg
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 Re: Do you hold hard workers with a high amount of esteem?
haa, 0% "Yes" responses thus far on the poll. It seems most people who tell you they identify as a "hard worker" tend to have relatively little else going for them, personality wise, so they utilize their commitment to money as some kind of positive character trait. I hear the I'm A Good Little Drone type bs out of people's mouths daily, and I think, 'yeah, I know you say you're a hard worker(or "good spouse", "good Christian", "good student") but what do you expect that to tell me?' Good Worker Identity also seems to give certain personalities of middle-aged men a reason to pity themselves. We've all seen that before: "I work so hard/am so dedicated, so why does _____ have to happen to me? It's just not fair..."
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prevlancer
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hard workers dont mean anything to me ... for study if someone works hard it means they try hard same for work... if someone works smart its different they put the effort in when its needed and can still do the things they want.
usually i respect people that can pull of good marks in an exam or essay when i know they started it that day or started revising after they skipped all the classes tat semester...even at work once i heard this guy say he finished writing a program we were testing on site the night before ... pretty gutsy but made me realize he wasnt a workaholic like i thought most white shirts are.
i agree with rezu u dont get rich from working hard because a hard worker might not take time to find other opportunity for improvement and plus since when does being rich mean the same thing as leading a rich life... i personally think having time for myself feels way better than money in the bank because of the stress to get it there in the first place..
i blame society for the norm though ... everyone is thinking everyone else is a zombie with no life and no mind for themselves
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Shiroi Tora
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 Re: Do you hold hard workers with a high amount of esteem?
While I admire anyone who works hard....it is the one who works intelligently that I hold in high esteem...only if they get more work done because of it.
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SoullessHuman
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Depends. Are they happy? Is the routine killing them inside? A typical routine would kill me slowly, I need unpredictability in my life to thrive.
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julian
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 Re: Do you hold hard workers with a high amount of esteem?
I can't believe I'm the only one who voted Yes (1 vs 17 NOes). If work was the only thing going in the hard worker's life and he was a failure at everything else would they also vote No?
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FONEternal
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 Re: Do you hold hard workers with a high amount of esteem?
I think people interpreted the question in a weird way. It seems that way to me anyway. I value people who are diligent and hard-working for that trait. Of course, if the person is an asshole, then who cares, but the idea of working hard to accomplish something you've set your mind to is a great value to me. I'll vote 'yes' as well. After all, nothing in this world is a free ride!
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XBlacky
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Well, that is generally what I mean't by 'good' work routine. For example, I wouldn't envy someone who has a shit job and a broken spirit but at the end of the day, they are getting up early and out of the house everyday and they are earning money. Thats the part I envy.
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julian
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That's what I think too, otherwise it makes no sense. If there is someone working hard, and they happen to have an attitude even, as long as they're not your boss, who cares?
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SoullessHuman
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I didn't mean by having a shit job. I mean by setting themselves into the sceduale of work. Going out every day doesn't mean jack if you're in a scedule.
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XBlacky
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Im not sure I'm following what you mean. Are you saying that in your opinion any work routine is a bad thing?
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SoullessHuman
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It's hard to explain. To me, I like variety in my day to life. The fact it is unpredictable is what makes me happiest. I don't know how others can live the same job, same people, same experiences every day. What I mean by that is: are the people working happy? Are they content? Is their life predictable?
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julian
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 |  |  |  | SV22 wrote: Yes, I would still vote no. In the example you gave, I can imagine many scenarios where there would be nothing commendable about the hard worker's actions. What sort of work is he doing? Why does he work so hard at it? Why is he a failure at everything else and what exactly is it that he failed at? If his life is as bad as you say and all his hard work is going toward some insignificant, menial job, then I see nothing positive about that. Or for another possibility, maybe he works so hard because he's greedy and only cares about making money, even if it's at the expense of others; and the rest of his life is so bad because he neglects all aspects of it except for the parts that will help him make money. Is a person like that to be held in high esteem? It's also possible that, despite having a bad life, he works hard towards a good cause. I think a person like that is very respectable, but it's not his work ethic that makes him so; it's his dedication to whatever the good cause is that he works so hard towards. It's certainly true that a good work ethic can be a valuable trait to have, but that's not really what the original post is asking. The point is that a good work ethic in itself says nothing about someone's character. |  |  |  |  |
SV22, after your post I can understand much better why someone (you in this case) would vote yes. Just because someone has a job though, it doesn't mean they're up to no good. These scenarios you're imagining: I don't really know what to say. I guess they do prove a point because after all, someone having a job does not mean they're not a drug dealer, for example. I do think someone's job, or work ethic, whatever you want to call it, tells me something about the person's character and I'd still vote Yes. I'm assuming "in real life" was implied, mainly to avoid wondering "Oh, wait, but what if he's a drug dealer?", when answering the question. My original post, semantically speaking may have been unrelated to the original question but in the context of the things that are discussed in this forum, I don't find it entirely out of place. Work is important, and helpful. Some even would say it dignifies a person's existence. Find something you love, or find something you love doing and it can be a way out of a lot of stuff. It really is that simple.
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